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Episode image is a detail from the cover of The Human Comedy by William Saroyan, published in 1971 by Dell Publishing.
In this, the first of a brand new series of Second Hand Book Factories for Page One, host Charles Adrian talks to and swaps books with actress and performance maker Vera Chok, of saltpeter and the Brautigan Book Club. Vera reads from one of her favourite books and then both she and Charles Adrian choose books to give to one other. Listen out for the word “credulity”, which is more beautifully pronounced here than it ever has been before.
Another book by Richard Brautigan, The Abortion: An Historical Romance 1966, is discussed in Page One 3.
More information about the wonderful Dinefwr Literature Festival can be found here.
More information about the Brautigan Book Club is here.
Songs from the album Please Plant These Songs can be found here.
Michael Caines, who is mentioned here, is featured in Page One 25.
More information about Stacy Makishi can be found here.
The Human Comedy by William Saroyan is also discussed in Page One 157.
Also mentioned in this episode are To The Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf, which is discussed in Page One 5, and The Grapes Of Wrath by John Steinbeck.
This episode was recorded at the Wilton Way Cafe for London Fields Radio.
This episode has been edited to remove music that is no longer covered by licence for this podcast.
A transcript of this episode is below.
Episode released: 9th October, 2012.
Other episodes featuring Vera:
Page One 149
Page One 127
Page One 107
Page One 90
Page One 52
Book listing:
In Watermelon Sugar by Richard Brautigan
Irrationality by Stuart Sutherland
The Human Comedy by William Saroyan
Links:
Episode transcript:
Jingle
You're listening... you're listening to London Fields Radio.
Charles Adrian
Hello. Yes, this is Page One on London Fields Radio. This is a new type of show for me. This is called the Second Hand Book Factory. I'll explain why later. My name is Charles Adrian. I'm in the Wilton Way Cafe, as ever, and sitting opposite me is Vera Chok. I'll ex... I'll introduce her properly in a moment. First of all, I'm going to play a track. This is... this is for you, Vera.
Music
[Chiquita Banana by Carmen Miranda]
Charles Adrian
So. Hello Vera!
Vera Chok
Hi.
Charles Adrian
That was just for you. That was Carmen Miranda with Chiquita Banana. [laughs]
Vera Chok
[laughing] Thank you so much.
Charles Adrian
So... Vera Chok. I'm going to describe you as one of my best friends and my unofficial agent.
Vera Chok
Yes. 15%.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Do you think that's...? 15%.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
As soon as I'm making any money at all...
Vera Chok
[laughing] Yes.
Charles Adrian
... you are... you are getting some of that. At the moment, you owe me quite a lot. I'll give you my... I mean, if we're doing this fairly...
Vera Chok
I owe you?
Charles Adrian
Well yeah, 15%.
Vera Chok
Why do I owe you money?
Charles Adrian
I'm seriously in deficit, in terms of my...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Oh I see. I don't think it works that way, Adrian.
Charles Adrian
Oh.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
So how would you describe yourself in general apart from being my unofficial agent?
Vera Chok
I have difficulty doing this but, today, I am an actress and a performance-maker... I [indistinct] performance-maker...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] [indistinct]
Vera Chok
... even though I told you a few months ago that I hated that phrase. Yes. I run saltpeter...
Charles Adrian
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Vera Chok
... a production company, and the Brautigan Book Club.
Charles Adrian
Ooooo!
Vera Chok
I'll stop there. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
Okay. And... So, today, I've invited you along...
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... for the Second Hand Book Factory. Now, there are two... there are two types of books that I've asked you to bring.
Vera Chok
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
I just... I... First of all, I just wanted you to bring a book that you like.
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
And perhaps is it's worth saying again, I... the... One of the reasons that I love second hand books is that you get a little glimpse into somebody else's world. If somebody else has read something and then you get to read it, you share something. That's how I... that's how I feel about it. I know... I could be more... I could be more mystical about it...
Vera Chok
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
but I won't be. And so...
Vera Chok
Oh, I want you to be more mystical.
Charles Adrian
I'll... I'll... Well, let... I'll be more mystical...
Vera Chok
Later.
Charles Adrian
... during one of the tracks later on, maybe.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Okay.
Charles Adrian
So I want... So I want to know, what... what have you decided to bring as a book that you like?
Vera Chok
So the book that I like...
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
I brought Richard Brautigan's In Watermelon Sugar...
Charles Adrian
Oh!
Vera Chok
... and I'm pulling a face because that's kind of predictable given that I run the book club...
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
... but I thought “Ugh” and then I looked at the first page and I thought “I absolutely have to read it”.
Charles Adrian
That's great. I'm actually very pleased about that because In Watermelon Sugar is one of the Richard Brautigan books that I haven't yet read, so...
Vera Chok
[surprised] Oh!
Charles Adrian
... you might inspire me. I've got it sitting on my kitchen table...
Vera Chok
Oh, it's really good,
Charles Adrian
... but I'm... I'm...
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
... I'm looking... I'm looking forward to it.
Vera Chok
Oh good.
Charles Adrian
Okay. So, whenever you're ready, just... just...
Vera Chok
The first page.
Charles Adrian
... take us into the first page of...
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... In Watermelon Sugar.
Vera Chok
In Watermelon Sugar:
IN WATERMELON SUGAR the deeds were done and done again as my life is done in watermelon sugar. I'll tell you about it because I am here and you are distant.
Wherever you are, we must do the best we can. It is so far to travel, and we have nothing here to travel, except watermelon sugar. I hope this works out.
I live in a shack near iDEATH. I can see iDEATH out the window. It is beautiful. I can also see it with my eyes closed and touch it. Right now it is cold and turns like something in the hand of a child. I do not know what that thing could be.
There is a delicate balance in iDEATH. It suits us.
The shack is small but pleasing and comfortable as my life and made from pine, watermelon sugar and stones as just about everything here is.
Our lives we have carefully constructed from watermelon sugar and then traveled to the length of our dreams, along roads lined with pines and stones.
I have a bed, a chair, a table and a large chest that I keep my things in. I have a lantern that burns watermelontrout oil at night.
That is something else. I'll tell you about it later. I have a gentle life.
I go to the window and look out again. The sun is shining at the long edge of a cloud. It is Tuesday and the sun is golden.
Charles Adrian
Beautiful. Thank you. I should probably have guessed that you were going to bring in some Brautigan. And people probably won't believe me when I... when I tell you what... what the... So, I've chosen a track that... that I connect with you and I've chosen the track from the Please Plant These Songs...
Vera Chok
Oh. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
... [laughing] album...
Vera Chok
Is it...?
Charles Adrian
... which is the Brautigan... which is the Brautigan-inspired album and... Which one do you think it is?
Vera Chok
I think it's Georgia Ruth's Week of Pines.
Charles Adrian
It so is! It so is!
Vera Chok
[laughing] Oh my god! Georgia Ruth!
Charles Adrian
Georgia Ruth, who we all totally fell in love with...
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... in Dinefwr in Wales when we went for the amazing...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] She's coming to London, I think.
Charles Adrian
... Dinefwr Literature Festival. So when is she... when is she coming? Is she going to play...?
Vera Chok
I'm very much hoping that she's still going to play the last Brautigan Book Club meeting of the year on November the 27th, which is a Tuesday.
Charles Adrian
Oh! Fingers tightly crossed.
Vera Chok
Fingers crossed.
Charles Adrian
She's a beautiful performer. She plays the harp and she sings and she's just...
Vera Chok
Beautiful.
Charles Adrian
... she's just gorgeous. I think we would all have married her, don't you think?
Vera Chok
I cannot hear you.
Charles Adrian
[louder] We would all have married her, I said.
Vera Chok
Oh! Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Charles Adrian
I know. There's a lot of coffee stuff. I can hear very loudly because I'm wearing headphones...
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Vera Chok
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
... but...
Vera Chok
I'm just reading lips.
Vera and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
I... Let me just explain that I... I can't get the levels right. So I have no idea.... It sounds great on the recording but I...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... in the cafe itself I think it's not even registering.
Vera Chok
But yes. Marrying Georgia.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] So I'm... So I'm going to play Georgia Ruth now and anyone who hasn't come across her yet, you are about to come across her. This is Week of Pines by Georgia Ruth. Was it specially commissioned?
Vera Chok
Yes. Yeah. I... Well, we... I... Yeah, yeah, she wrote it specially for us.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] But Michael... Michael Caines put this album together for the Brautigan Book Club.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] She wrote it specially for... Yes, Michael Caines was very instrument... Yeah, he initiated it. So thank you Michael.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Right. And this... So this is one of the tracks from the album Please Plant These Songs, which you can get from...
Vera Chok
From the Brautigan Book Club website. So, brautiganbookclub.co.uk and you can download them for free. And Michael Caines plays in a bank called Spirit Of Play! Plug!
Charles Adrian
[laughing] This is Georgia Ruth.
Music
[Week of Pines by Georgia Ruth]
Charles Adrian
So now, this is... this is the part where we come to the books that we are... We are creating second hand books now. This is the point of the Second Hand Book Factory. I have brought a book...
Vera Chok
[realising] Oh.
Charles Adrian
... which I'm going to give to Vera. This is not a second hand book yet...
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... but I have read it...
Vera Chok
Uh huh.
Charles Adrian
... and I'm going to give it to Vera and then it... and then it will already be second hand and then we will share...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I... The penny has dropped.
Charles Adrian
You see?
Vera Chok
Yes?
Charles Adrian
It's not... Like, there's... It's not that there's no thought gone into this at all. So this is... this is a book that I have read that I thought to myself... I don't know whether you're gonna like it or not but I think it's going to make sense - it's called Irrationality by Stuart Sutherland - because I have the feeling that sometimes...
Vera Chok
[laughing] Yes.
Charles Adrian
Now, Vera and I, we know each other quite well. I have the feeling that sometimes you... you have the feeling that either you're mad or the whole world is mad. Is that fair?
Vera Chok
Yes. [laughs] Sorry, a big pause there.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Well, in fact, the world is mad.
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
This... this book will show you...
Vera Chok
Ah.
Charles Adrian
... that people are... people are generally irrational.
Vera Chok
But...
Charles Adrian
I hope you're going to find this comforting.
Vera Chok
... that means that I'm irrational as well. So we're all irrational.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] You are also irrational. We're all of us irrational.
Vera Chok
[musing] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
And I found this... This is one of those wonderful, slightly pop-science books but it did... it did change the way that I think about the way that I act...
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
... if that make sense.
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
And I... I'm... I'm okay with my irrationality but I'm also able, I think, more to appreciate other people's irrationality, which is helpful.
Vera Chok
Oh thank you!
Charles Adrian
So I'm going to... I'm going to read you the preface from this, which should give you a...
Vera Chok
Crikey. Yes.
Charles Adrian
... an idea of what it's... what's going to be inside it.
Vera Chok
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
And then, you know, the mystical part of this is that, once you read this, you will have a little slice of my life...
Vera Chok
Thank you.
Charles Adrian
... and obviously that will resonate differently in... in you...
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... but you will have seen a little pocket of something that I have also seen and experienced and we will share that.
Vera Chok
Aw. I might burst into tears but I won't. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
That's... That's fine. Do you want me to switch off your mic and you can sob quietly while I read...
Vera Chok
[laughing] Leaning against the bar. I'll just lean against the coffee bar...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] ... while I read. [laughs] While I read the Preface of...
Vera Chok
... at 10:30 in the morning. Yes.
Charles Adrian
Absolutely...
Vera Chok
Go for it.
Charles Adrian
... in an almost... almost sunny day.
Vera Chok
I like how you're rubbing the book.
Charles Adrian
Yeah, that's what I do with... with...
Vera Chok
New books.
Charles Adrian
Yes, new books. New paperback books. I don't do this with hardbacks.
Preface
Pace Aristotle, it can be argued that irrational behavior is the norm not the exception. In order to demonstrate this, I've provided many startling examples of irrationality in everyday life and in the activities the professions. It turns out that the decisions of doctors, generals, engineers, judges, businessmen and others are no more rational than those made by you or me though their effects are often more calamitous.
However, the real proof of the prevalence of irrationality comes from the massive amount of research on the topic undertaken over the last thirty years by psychologists. Their discoveries - unlike those of cosmologists - are as yet scarcely known to the general public. Although I have not myself worked directly on the topic, I became fascinated by the ingenuity of their experiments and by the light they throw on the workings of the mind. This book integrates the many factors that have been shown to cause irrational behavior, including social and emotional biases as well as the many quirks of thought produced by such failings as not taking account of negative cases or being too swayed by what first comes to mind. Many of the experimental findings are so surprising that the reader's credulity may well be strained: almost all of them have, however, been replicated many times. To stave off the sceptical reader, there is a rather daunting list of sources, which needs to be consulted only by those lacking faith in my veracity or desiring to pursue specific issues in more detail.
I have tried to make clear to the layman work that is often hard to follow in technical journals; for the most part I have avoided mathematical and statistical concepts, but of necessity a few elementary ones are introduced and explained towards the end of the book.
This is not a 'Do-it-Yourself' book on how to think, but I have ventured to place a few hints at the end of chapters. Readers may learn to avoid some of the many snares that beset their thought processes - always provided they are already sufficiently rational to...
Vera Chok
Okay.
Charles Adrian
So there we are. I hope you are sufficiently rational to.
Vera Chok
I'm going to look out for those snares.
Charles Adrian
Do! Look out for them. Now, I also asked you... I asked you to bring in a track that you wanted to play and I'm going to play that at the end of the program, but I think you brought in one that... that makes you happy.
Vera Chok
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
Yeah? So I thought what I would do is to play a track that makes me happy. So here is... here's just a happy track from me. There's no other reason for me to play this. It's called A Community Service Announcement and it's by Jonathan Boulet.
Music
[A Community Service Announcement by Jonathan Boulet]
Charles Adrian
So that was Jonathan Boulet with A Community Service Announcement. Now, the last... the last section of the show... This is... this is it.
Vera Chok
[disappointed] Oh.
Charles Adrian
This... So this is the book that you think I should have.
Vera Chok
[breathes in] Yes!
Charles Adrian
So you are giving me now a slice of your experience.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Absolutely. Uh huh. I ordered it specially but it is second hand and I have read it and I've given copies to other friends. And one friend felt so under pressure that he refused to read it. He... I don't think... He's never read it.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Really? He read... he refused to read it because he felt pressured to read it?
Vera Chok
Because he felt that, if he didn't like it...
Charles Adrian
Oh.
Vera Chok
... because it was one of my fav... it is one of my favourite books...
Charles Adrian
Right.
Vera Chok
... that he would never be able to face me.
Charles Adrian
Oh goodness.
Vera Chok
Yes. And it was my copy. And I felt really upset. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
Oh no. Has he... has he kept it or did he give it back to you unread?
Vera Chok
No! Well, it was his birthday. I gave it to him as a present.
Charles Adrian
Oh why?
Vera Chok
I know!
Charles Adrian
Oh! I think he needs to... well, as the yoof say, grow a pair. Do they still say that?
Vera Chok
What do they say? What?
Charles Adrian
Maybe they don't say that. Grow a pair... he needs to grow a pair.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
Maybe it's not so much the yoof who says that. It's just people a bit younger than me.
Vera Chok
I don't think it takes balls to read a book, surely.
Charles Adrian
It does! To... No, not to read a book but to own up to you...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] You think he should man up?
Charles Adrian
... that maybe he doesn't like... he doesn't like it.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
Charles Adrian
So tell me about it.
Vera Chok
Well, I'm going to... [laughs] I'm going to read you The Human Comedy by William Saroyan...
Charles Adrian
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Vera Chok
... whose name I'm not sure I'm pronouncing correctly. “It's the classic American novel of an unforgettable Californian...” oh... “unforgettable California family” it says on the cover. And I found it on a bookshelf of someone I was with years ago and he introduced me to a whole bunch of writers and pop culture and... that I never would have been exposed to otherwise. So this is... He's an American Armenian writer...
Charles Adrian
Ah. Interesting.
Vera Chok
So no one in... really, in England, I think, knows who he is.
Charles Adrian
I've never heard his name before.
Vera Chok
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
This is... this is wonderful.
Vera Chok
Yeah. There you go.
Charles Adrian
So this is at least a third-hand book...
Vera Chok
Yes!
Charles Adrian
... by the time it comes to me.
Vera Chok
Gurpreet Chima...
Charles Adrian
Aw.
Vera Chok
... and there's a phone number...
Charles Adrian
Oh wow!
Vera Chok
[speaking over] [indistinct] cover. So you can telephone...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] One day I'll give this person a call.
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
Oh how exciting.
Vera Chok
It might... I don't even know if it's in... from this country.
Charles Adrian
It doesn't... Oh well...
Vera Chok
It might be... it might be an 0208... I don't know.
Charles Adrian
It's not enough numbers.
Vera Chok
Maybe it... hmm...
Charles Adrian
No, I don't think so. There would have to be an extra 8 or an extra 7.
Vera Chok
I think it's an Am... Sorry?
Charles Adrian
There would have to be another number.
Vera Chok
Yeah. I think it's an American person.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] But which city? Which... Which state? Where... Where are they? Where is this Gurpreet?
Vera Chok
[musing] Mmm.
Charles Adrian
Perhaps... Perhaps if Gurpreet ever hears this podcast...
Vera Chok
[gasps] Yes. Oh, so we're... Now we are looking for Gurpreet Chima...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] ... they can write in.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] ... who read...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yeah. I was... I will happily send this book back...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] ... The Human Comedy.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] ... with notes. Aw.
Vera Chok
With notes?
Charles Adrian
What I thought about it and where it's... where it's been as far as I know...
Vera Chok
[laughs] Yes. Yes.
Charles Adrian
... and then Gurpreet can perhaps tell us how...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I love how... Yeah...
Charles Adrian
... he or she came across this book.
Vera Chok
Yes. The idea of books travelling...
Charles Adrian
Yeah, I think that's really important.
Vera Chok
... that we've been talking about. Yeah.
Charles Adrian
Yes. Okay.
Vera Chok
Shall I read it?
Charles Adrian
Read, please.
Vera Chok
But before I read it, can I tell you that there is a giant, beautiful picture on the first page. Oh!
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
So the first page is very short indeed.
Charles Adrian
Just describe the picture and then... and then read the first page.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] There's a boy of about four in baggy dungarees - it's a, sort of, line drawing - and he's standing in front of a railway track - the kind you get in America, so an open plain - and the clouds... or something that might indicate cloud... it's, sort of, a giant man with a hobo hat. I think it's a hobo in the sky, [laughing] waving at the little boy. Anyway.
Number 1. Ulysses
THE LITTLE BOY named Ulysses Macauley one day stood over the new gopher hole in the backyard of his house on Santa Clara Avenue in Ithica, California. The gopher of this hole pushed up fresh moist dirt and peeked out at the boy, who was certainly a stranger but perhaps not an enemy. Before this miracle had been fully enjoyed by the boy, one of the birds of Ithica flew into the old walnut tree in the backyard and after settling itself on a branch broke into rapture, moving the boy's fascination from the earth to the tree. Next, best of all, a freight train puffed and...
Charles Adrian
How exciting! I can't wait to read it.
Vera Chok
Yes, I love this book dearly and I think... I was worried that it'd be too similar to Brautigan in writing style because it seems really simplistic or childlike but I think it's incredibly well crafted and profound. So there you go.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Wonderful. I am... I am bathing in this kind of writing at the moment. I'm fully immersed in Brautigan now thanks to you. And... I... just... I'm also... Yeah, but I'm also reading Virginia Woolf. The... The...
Vera Chok
[laughs] Just a...
Charles Adrian
... To The Lighthouse which, which I mentioned in my last... in my last podcast. I am now reading just to... just... yeah, to balance out.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Sure. Well, I read the first page of Grapes Of Wrath...
Charles Adrian
Ooo!
Vera Chok
... which is beautiful. I'd forgotten how wonderful that is.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I haven't read that for years and years.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I want to re-read it. And Stacy Makishi, who I've been working with recently - a performance artist - devised a show and used one of the quotes, and so I thought: “What's the first page?”
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Ah! Yes, yes.
Vera Chok
It's wonderfully written.
Charles Adrian
I'll have to... I don't think I even have a copy. I think I probably read that when I was at school and got it out of the library.
Vera Chok
Oh.
Charles Adrian
So I'll read that again. I remember being very, very affected by The Grapes of Wrath. This... These machines... I remember that particularly.
Vera Chok
Machines?
Charles Adrian
These machines coming over the landscape and turning... turning the families off their small plots of land.
Vera Chok
Oh.
Charles Adrian
That was really... that's an image that sticks in my head.
Vera Chok
I remember the unbelievable tension and I kept on thinking: “Oh no! Now it's going to happen. This... Everything's going to go wrong.”
Charles Adrian
Aha.
Vera Chok
And it kept me so tense from beginning to end.
Charles Adrian
Wow.
Vera Chok
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
So The Grapes Of Wrath, which we didn't read today...
Vera Chok
[laughing] No.
Charles Adrian
... but we could have...
Vera Chok
[laughing] Yes.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] ... very easily. Both of us clearly affected by that. This is the end of the... this is the end of the programme, Vera.
Vera Chok
Can I check one thing really quickly?
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
Is it gopher [/gəʊfə/]? Is the word pronounced gopher [/gəʊfə/]?
Charles Adrian
Is it an animal?
Vera Chok
[speaking over] As in the little animal.
Charles Adrian
Yup.
Vera Chok
Okay. Just checking.
Charles Adrian
It is... What would it be? Gop... gop her [/gəʊphɜːr/]? Gopper [/gɒpɜːr/]?
Vera Chok
I don't know but I remember, as I said it out loud... you know, when you... sometimes you say something out loud and you think: “That's not what it sounds like”.
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Vera Chok
I remember someone saying leaming [/liːmɪəŋ /] instead of lemming [/leəmɪəŋ /].
Charles Adrian
Oh. How embarrassing.
Vera Chok
Yes.
Charles Adrian
Yes. Well, don't worry...
Vera Chok
[speaking over] Another small, furry animal.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] ... you haven't... you haven't humiliated yourself.
Vera Chok
Great!
Charles Adrian
Although you are about to.
Vera Chok
Oh yes! Yay! No, I have no shame.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Vera Chok
No shame.
Charles Adrian
Let me... Wait, I'm going to play a jingle first.
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Jingle
London Fields Radio... it's London Fields Radio.
Charles Adrian
I'm going to play us out for this week with Vera's...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... Vera's track. This is Vera's choice. This is something that makes her very happy.
Vera Chok
[speaking over] I dedicate this... Yes!
Charles Adrian
Who are you dedicating this to?
Vera Chok
[speaking over] ... to Elliot Grover in Cardiff, who reminded me of this song and it got me through a really difficult week and now I listen to it a lot because it makes me so happy.
Charles Adrian
It's Peter Andre...
Vera Chok
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... with Mysterious Girl.
Music
[Mysterious Girl by Peter Andre]
[Initial transcription by https://otter.ai]