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In the second of the Second Hand Book Factories, Charles Adrian talks to Caroline Kilpatrick, actor and recently qualified voice and dialect coach. Caroline dispenses advice on developing authentic accents and the two of them talk Peter Pan and the joys of awkwardness. There is, as ever, some great music.
Larry’s Party by Carol Shields is also discussed in Page One 157. Another book by Carol Shields, Unless, is discussed in Page One 105 and Page One 184.
This episode was recorded at the Wilton Way Cafe for London Fields Radio.
This episode has been edited to remove music that is no longer covered by licence for this podcast.
A transcript of this episode is below.
Episode released: 16th October, 2012.
Book listing:
Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie
I Capture The Castle by Dodie Smith
Larry’s Party by Carol Shields
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Episode transcript:
Jingle
You're listening... you're listening to London Fields Radio.
Charles Adrian
Welcome to the second edition of Page One, the Second Hand Book Factory. So this is, I don't know, the 7th or 8th edition of Page One. This is London Fields Radio in the Wilton Way Cafe. I'm Charles Adrian, as always, and I'm going to start with some music.
Music
[Rainy Days And Mondays by The Carpenters]
Charles Adrian
So that was... that was The Carpenters with Rainy Days And Mondays. Just to let you know, it's Monday today. You won't know this because you'll be listening to this any day... any day of the week. You might be... It might be Tuesday or Friday or Sunday. It is... it is both Monday and a rainy day and I know exactly how Karen Carpenter feels. I was pretty miserable when I got up this morning but luckily, to get me back up again, I'm sitting opposite Caroline Kilpatrick, who is my guest today for the Second Hand Book Factory. Hello, Caroline.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Hello, Adrian.
Charles Adrian
It's absolutely lovely to have you here in the Wilton Way Cafe. Thank you for coming.
Caroline Kilpatrick
That's a pleasure. It was... I was very excited to come.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] One of the... So, one of the reasons I played The Carpenters there was because a few days ago, I was just reminded that this track existed. I have, you know, Carpenters Gold, or whatever it's called, at home...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
... but I haven't listened to it for a long time. And the other reason is, I thought... when... you know, when I... when I met you recently...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... I remember thinking: Wow, you have the most incredibly resonant and... and beautiful voice and that's more or less what I think of Karen Carpenter as well. So I thought the two things...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Aw! And our names are alliterative as well: Caroline Kilpatrick and Karen Carpenter.
Charles Adrian
Oh, that is brilliant. That is absolutely... I wish I had...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
... that... that would have been almost a better reason...
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
... to play the track. So what I'm going to ask you now, which is, I think, going to be... become a feature of these interviews: How would you...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] I'm sure.
Charles Adrian
How would you describe yourself? Caroline Kilpatrick...
Caroline Kilpatrick
I would say: Caroline Kilpatrick, actor and... and I would use all of these words... I wouldn't just say actor...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... and voice coach because I've only recently qualified as one...
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
So I'd say: actor and recently I've just started...
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Caroline Kilpatrick
... being a coach for actors' dialects and actors... sort of, helping them...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I see.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... with their voices.
Charles Adrian
Lovely. I suspect...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Mmm.
Charles Adrian
... if this was a Sunday Supplement the... the editors would redact that...
Caroline Kilpatrick
I suspect so.
Charles Adrian
... but we could perhaps put that in the body of the article. You could explain... What are you skiving off today to come and talk to me?
Caroline Kilpatrick
Well, later today I'll be going to... The third-year students at the... at Italia Conti are working on a play called Earthquakes In London by Mike Bartlett...
Charles Adrian
Aha!
Caroline Kilpatrick
... which has got lots and lots of different accents in it. And it's very difficult to do an accent if the other people... if it's not yours and the other people around you aren't doing it, because you can't...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Aha. Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... kind of, tap into the rhythm. So they've got me in to, I guess, help them... help them make it more of a part of them and...
Charles Adrian
I see.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... help teach it to them.
Charles Adrian
I see. And how do you... Basically, how do you start that?
Caroline Kilpatrick
How do you start to teach an accent?
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Well, first of all is you listen to it lots and lots and you get recordings of people and then, what I do is I break it down phonetically. So, kind of, there's a science of sounds... a science of speech sounds...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... and you hear and listen how different those speech sounds are to yours so that you can work out how they're made in your mouth differently - whether your tongue's a bit higher or lower, or whether your...
Charles Adrian
So it's quite technical.
Caroline Kilpatrick
It's very technical. I mean...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Right.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... you don't have to learn it in a technical way if you can just, kind of, hear it and unconsciously do it. Like, you can kind of sing and unconsciously...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Okay. So some people are just brilliant at it.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
And other people need to, like, break it down.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Wow. And do you think that it's possible... So, say, I'm nearly thirty-three...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[acknowledging] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
Do you think it would be possible for me to learn an accent and speak it so that someone from that place would... would be fooled by it or do you think there's always going to be a, sort of, non-native lilt?
Caroline Kilpatrick
Um... I think it would be possible. I think you'd have to really immerse yourself and, kind of... but I think it's definitely easier than learning a language.
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
I mean, because [indistinct] ... Mmm.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I ask, partly, because when I... when I read on... on this show - and anyone who's...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
... listened to any of my previous recordings... which are still up, you can still listen, you can join the thirty-odd people who do listen every week [laughing] to my show...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... I often... I often find myself reading books that require accents.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
And, although in my head I'm brilliant at accents, when I listen back...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
... there's a... there's a discrepancy.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah, there's still the bits of you that you haven't...
Charles Adrian
There's a lot of me, yes...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Yes.
Charles Adrian
... that is not the accent.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah. So I think it's completely possible to change that...
Charles Adrian
[spekaing over] Okay. I just need to work a bit harder.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah, and work out: Oh, maybe I just need to, kind of, move my mouth a bit and, like, hold my tongue a bit differently. And then...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... all the things that are normally you will just become different without you needing to think... to think about it.
Charles Adrian
Okay. Brilliant. I'll... I'll maybe work on that.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
Now what's... So, let's come to the books. This is the Second Hand Book Factory but we start with... just to... as a way of introducing you, really...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
... I've asked you to bring in a book that you like.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
What have you... What have you chosen?
Caroline Kilpatrick
Well, the book that I really like is Peter Pan.
Charles Adrian
Oh, wonderful!
Caroline Kilpatrick
And I've chosen it because it has the essence of all the books that I really like, which is: a s... a simple story, really, but understanding the darkness of people and understanding the darkness of imaginations and... and how that is so much a part of you. And I think it was probably the first book I really liked.
Charles Adrian
Oh lovely. So let's start with the first page and I'm just going to let you read us in.
Caroline Kilpatrick
And I'm literally only allowed to read the first page?
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] You're just allowed... You have to finish at the end of the first page.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Now, as you can see, it's only half a page. That's... that's...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] That's absolutely fine
Caroline Kilpatrick
The rules are the rules.
Charles Adrian
That is the rules... of the rules, as you say.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Okay. [laughs]
All children, except one, grow up. They soon know that they will grow up, and the way Wendy knew was this. One day when she was two years old she was playing in a garden, and she plucked another flower and ran with it to her mother. I suppose she must have looked rather delightful, for Mrs. Darling put her hand to her heart and cried, “Oh, why can't you remain like this for ever!” This was all that passed between them on the subject, but henceforth Wendy knew that she must grow up. You always know after you are two. Two is the beginning of the end.
Of course they lived at 14, and until Wendy came her mother was the chief one. She was a lovely lady, with a romantic mind and such a sweet mocking mouth. Her romantic mind was like the tiny boxes, one within the other, that come from the puzzling East, however many you discover there is always one more; and her sweet mocking mouth had one kiss on...
Charles Adrian
Wonderful. Thank you very much.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah. It's got...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] The beauty of that, you see, is that, if you're anything like me, I'm... I want to go and buy it now.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Well...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I want to know what it was on.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
I... just... it just... Anyway, I'm going to play the...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Okay.
Charles Adrian
So I'm going to play a second track for today, which was chosen by you.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
I had no idea what you were going to read but I should have guessed because this is actually from Disney's Peter Pan.
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
This is Never Smile At A Crocodile. It's credited to Frank Churchill and Jack Lawrence. Only one person sings. Do you know who it is... who's singing?
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] No I don't.
Charles Adrian
No. So, either Frank Churchill or Jack Lawrence or neither of them are singing Never Smile At A Crocodile.
Music
[Never Smile At A Crocodile by Frank Churchill and Jack Lawrence]
Charles Adrian
Now, the second part of the show is...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[affirmative] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
... is the book that I am going to give to you. So this is a book that I have brought, that I have read, that I'm going to give to you. This is... this is... This is why this is the Second Hand Book Factory.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
I... I really believe in second hand books. I think there's something very exciting about new books - and I love to buy a new book and to discover it - but the idea of reading something that someone else has read fills me with a special kind of pleasure.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
And to give somebody a book that I have already read... It's hard.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
I have... This was... This was very hard. This came as part of a box set...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[affirmative] Uh huh.
Charles Adrian
... which I bought from the Book People. And it came in a box. And it is I Capture The Castle by Dodie Smith.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
And so I thought: first of all, I don't know whether you read this or not but I thought it's something you'd probably enjoy.
Caroline Kilpatrick
I think I will very much enjoy this.
Charles Adrian
This strikes me as a...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
... Caroline Kilpatrick type book.
Caroline Kilpatrick
I've actually seen... They did a TV adaptation about...
Charles Adrian
Ah.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... a while ago and I think...
Charles Adrian
Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... I don't know, it was on some Christmas time and I think my granny...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Right.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... was talking all the way through it.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Caroline Kilpatrick
And I remember, like, wanting to watch it and getting irritated at her talking.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh no!
Caroline Kilpatrick
So I'm very, very pleased to read it. Yeah.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] [indisctinct] to read it. It's a really great... It's a really great book. It's a really fun book. I would just... I just want to tell you that Valerie Grove...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[affirmative] Uh huh.
Charles Adrian
... says in the introduction: “I have never met a reader who wanted this book to end”.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
This book comes with a... my bookmark... my original bookmark, which is a Eurostar ticket.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Ooo!
Charles Adrian
So I was... I was under twenty-six when I read this book, but I don't know...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
[laughing] I obviously started it on the 31st of May. I was traveling from Paris to London.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
But I don't know what year that would have been. Who knows?
Caroline Kilpatrick
Because you could have been any age under twenty-six.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I could have been any age under twenty-six. I know... It's very likely that I wouldn't have been younger than twenty-one. I think that...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
So you can think of me, perhaps, sitting on the...
Caroline Kilpatrick
I will! I will.
Charles Adrian
There is also another reason why I chose this...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... and it's because... So, just to let everyone know, Caroline I met doing a play called The Death Of Tintagel…
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... in which Caroline played Bérangère, the younger sister...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... and Vera, who I interviewed last week, played the older sister...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
... who does, in fact, in a sense, inherit the castle. The older sister...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... captures the castle. And poor old Caroline - [laughing] Bérangère...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... was left... We don't know what your fate is.
Caroline Kilpatrick
No.
Charles Adrian
But this... So this is about a younger sister, who has an older sister, but who goes on to...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Aha.
Charles Adrian
... capture the castle herself so I thought...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
... there's something a little bit appropriate.
Chapter I
I WRITE THIS sitting in the kitchen sink. That is, my feet are in it; the rest of me is on the draining-board, which I have padded with our dog's blanket and the tea-cosy. I can't say that I am really comfortable, and there is a depressing smell of carbolic soap, but this is the only part of the kitchen where there is any daylight left. And I have found that sitting in a place where you have never sat before can be inspiring - I wrote my very best poem while sitting on the hen-house. Though even that isn't a very good poem. I have decided my poetry is so bad that I mustn't write any more of it. Drips from the roof are plopping into the water-butt by the back door. The view through the windows above the sink is excessively drear. Beyond the dank garden in the courtyard are the ruined walls on the edge of the moat. Beyond the moat, the boggy ploughed fields stretch to the leaden sky. I tell myself that all the rain we have had lately is good for nature, and that at any moment spring will surge on us. I try to see leaves on the trees and the courtyard filled with sunlight. Unfortunately, the more my mind's eye sees green and gold, the more drained of all colour does the twilight seem.
It is comforting to look away from the windows and towards the kitchen fire, near which my sister Rose is ironing - though she obviously can't see properly, and it will be a pity if she scorches her only nightgown. (I have two, but one is minus its behind.) Rose looks particularly fetching by firelight because she is a pinkish person; her skin has a pink glow and her hair is pinkish gold, very light and feathery. Although I am rather used to her I know she is a beauty. She is nearly twenty-one and very bitter with life. I am seventeen, look younger, feel older. I am no beauty but have a neatish face.
Caroline Kilpatrick
That's lovely. I love... I love the way it describes the sisters' relationship of... I like: “She has... she's beautiful because she has a pinkish face” and how...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] [laughing] Isn't that lovely!
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes... you know that that's just part of the way she thinks about people.
Charles Adrian
Yes. There you go. There is...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Thank you!
Charles Adrian
There is your copy of... or our copy of I Capture The Castle. I'm now going to play... I could, obviously, play a track that is related to this but I'm going to play your second track... the second... I mean, you... you suggested lots of tracks to me...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
... and I listened to them all and this one I absolutely loved and I'm so grateful to you for introducing this to me.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
So this is... this is related to your second book. I don't know what that is yet but, as introduction, as it were...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
... to your second book, I'm going to play Little Bones by Malvina Reynolds.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Little Boxes.
Charles Adrian
Oh. Little Boxes. It's my handwriting!
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
Yes. [laughs]
Caroline Kilpatrick
Little Bones is lovely as well. A lovely title.
Charles Adrian
It would be... it would be nice. Yeah, no, my x looks just like an n.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
Little Boxes. Let's hope I've downloaded the right track.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
This is supposed to be Little Boxes by Malvina Reynolds.
Music
[Little Boxes by Malvina Reynolds]
Jingle
London Fields Radio... it's London Fields Radio.
Charles Adrian
It is, indeed, still London Fields Radio and here I am with Caroline Kilpatrick for my 2nd Second Hand Book Factory. Now, here's the part that I really...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... enjoy in the show because I'm going get a book. This is... this is the book that Caroline has chosen for me. So I have no idea. Is it? Maybe I should guess. Is it something...?
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Yes. Have a little guess.
Charles Adrian
Is it a book about boxes?
Caroline Kilpatrick
No.
Charles Adrian
Okay. That was my guess. I don't have any...
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
... any other ideas.
Caroline Kilpatrick
This is a book called Larry's Party by Carol Shields...
Charles Adrian
[intrigued] Aha.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... who's a... She died, actually, a few years ago but she's a brilliant writer. Canadian.
Charles Adrian
Okay.
Caroline Kilpatrick
And this is about a man called Larry, who I love.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Caroline Kilpatrick
And, um... it's all just about, like, Larry's little humiliations that make up his life...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] [laughing] Oh brilliant. Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... and, um... he's, sort of, at peace with being awkward around people and not really knowing...
Charles Adrian
Sounds perfect.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes.
Charles Adrian
[laughs]
Caroline Kilpatrick
And I thought of you because I remember we had this... In the second half of the play that Adrian...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Yes.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... was talking about earlier, we were offstage...
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Caroline Kilpatrick
... we'd escaped and left the castle. And a lot of our conversation came down to really nitty gritty of exactly what we meant in this conversation and how the other person didn't quite understand exactly what we meant.
Charles Adrian
[laughs] That's right.
Caroline Kilpatrick
And that's what Larry gets, not really wound up about, but he's just curious about it. And I like... I think this would be... was great for me because I just found such tenderness for Larry and such forgiveness about different people's little foibles. And it made me less... [laughs] less concerned with the awkwardness...
Charles Adrian
Right.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... of social interaction. And it's very funny and very tender. And I just...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Brilliant.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... I think that you'll like it. And I think that you'll... I hope that you'll love Larry as well.
Charles Adrian
I'm sure I will. I've... I haven't heard of it. I think... The name Carol Shields ring a bell...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
... but I don't think I've ever read anything by her. Read me the first page.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Okay.
Fifteen Minutes in the Life of Larry Weller
1977
By mistake Larry Weller took someone else's Harris tweed jacket instead of his own, and it wasn't till he jammed his hand in the pocket that he knew something was wrong.
His hand was traveling straight into a silky void. His five fingers pushed down, looking for the balled-up Kleenex from his own familiar worn-out pocket, the nickels and dimes, the ticket receipts from all the movies he and Dorrie had been seeing lately. Also those hard little bits of lint, like meteor grit, that never seem to lose themselves once they've worked into the seams.
This pocket - today's pocket - was different. Clean, a slippery valley. The stitches he touched at the bottom weren't his stitches. His fingertips glided now on a sweet little sea of lining. He grabbed for the buttons. Leather, the real thing. And something else - the sleeves were a good half inch longer than they should have been.
This jacket was twice the value of his own. The texture, the seams. You could see it got sent all the time to the cleaners. Another thing, you could tell by the way the shoulders sprang out that this jacket got parked on a thick wooden hanger at night. Above a row of polished shoes. Refilling its tweedy warp and woof with oxygenated air.
He should have run back to the coffee shop to see if his own jacket was still scrunched there on the back of his chair, but it was already quarter to six, and Dorrie was expecting him at six sharp, and it was rush hour and he wasn't anywhere near the bus stop.
And - the thought came to him - what's the point? A jacket's a...
Charles Adrian
Wonderful. Thank you very much. That's... I'm... I'm looking forward to reading that.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Ah. Good.
Charles Adrian
I've re... I've actually re... I've just realised, while you were reading that...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[encouraging] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
... I'm... if I continue to do this show...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
... regularly, I'm not going to have any reason to buy any books...
Caroline Kilpatrick
No.
Charles Adrian
... for as long as I'm doing it. I'm going to get a book a week, which is... which is about all I can...
Caroline Kilpatrick
And that'll be better than buying books because they'll be things that you wouldn't have thought of.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] [indistinct] Absolutely.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Mmm.
Charles Adrian
Well, so far, I've done pretty well.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
This is... This... This looks amazing. And I love that it's... it's clearly been read.
Caroline Kilpatrick
It has. I actually studied that book - I think it was for either GCSE or A-level and it was the first...
Charles Adrian
Oh, it's got notes in it!
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah, so it's got my notes in it as well. [laughs]
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh wow. [laughing] That is so exciting.
Caroline Kilpatrick
And then, yeah, I've read it lots of times since and...
Charles Adrian
Oh.
Caroline Kilpatrick
... sometimes cringe at my notes and sometimes think: Oh, that was...
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] Oh yes!
Caroline Kilpatrick
... that was clever.
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
Wonderful. I will... Perhaps I will make my own notes next to...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[speaking over] Yes, do.
Charles Adrian
... next to yours and I will mark your notes.
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh thanks Adrian. You could do your notes in green or red [indistinct].
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] I'll... Exactly. And I'll put felicitous ticks...
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
... next to the ones that I particularly like.
Caroline and Charles Adrian
[laughter]
Charles Adrian
Now, this is... this is more or less the end of the show.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Oh!
Charles Adrian
And this has been fun.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes, it has been fun.
Charles Adrian
[speaking over] This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, we don't see each other often enough and it's been absolutely wonderful to have an excuse to...
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yes it has!
Charles Adrian
... to talk to you.
Caroline Kilpatrick
Yeah.
Charles Adrian
Thank you for coming, Caroline.
Caroline Kilpatrick
That's a great pleasure. Thanks very much for inviting me.
Charles Adrian
So this has been Page One, the Second Hand Book Factory, on London Fields Radio, recorded at the Wilton Way Cafe in Hackney, where you should definitely come if you are in London at any stage. Now, I'm going to play... I'm going to play us out with with my... my second choice.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[interested] Mmm hmm.
Charles Adrian
This is a very oblique reference to the play we were in together, The Death Of Tintagel, which I'm not going to explain.
Caroline Kilpatrick
[laughs]
Charles Adrian
It's called... It's by The Fratellis and it's called Cuntry Boys & City Girls.
Music
[Cuntry Boys & City Girls by The Fratellis]
[Initial transcription by https://otter.ai]